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# Chris Hutchins, Hacking Money, Travel, and Points (#12)
- URL: https://www.kevinrose.com/hacking-money-travel-and-points-with-chris-hutchins/
- Published: 2017-11-30T11:00:00.000Z
- Updated: 2026-10-11T22:18:02.000Z
- Author: Kevin Rose
- Tags: Podcast, #Migrated-1791755965841, #Import 2026-10-11 21:59

Chris Hutchins (ex-Google) is the go-to personal finance hacker for many executives in Silicon Valley. In this episode, Chris teaches us how to select the best credit card for points, earning extra income with your house, how and when to retire (the 4% rule), budgeting tools, and his new startup, Grove. Full show notes at podcast.kevinrose.com/17